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 Hugh Dagwell
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| Edward |
Posted on 27/10/2008 12:54
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I have being trying to track down a Hugh Dagwell, who was born in Southampton in 1813 and married Charlotte Nightingale in Weymouth 1842. In 1843 their first child, Martha Eliza was born in Weymouth. There are no English Census records for any of them in 1851 and 1861. Hugh and his family were definitely in Antrim for a long period. Three subsequent children were born , married and died in Antrim. His English-born daughter Martha Eliza, married and died there too. Both Hugh's and and his wife's deaths are recorded in Antrim. The attached document seems to indicate that he was in the CG (official number 76359) presumably in Ireland, until his discharge in 1873. The ship is listed as the Vanguard. It is the only document from the National Archives that I can locate online and offers little as a service record. My problem is that I'm an Australian who lives and works in China...a visit to the Archives isn't going to be easy.  I noted that Martin indicated that ADM 175 is now online...how can I access it and confirm his CG career? Any help or advivce would be gratefully received and acknowledged Edward |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/10/2008 18:21
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Hi Edward, and welcome to the Forum. While I'm more than happy to explain the way in to the ADM 175 series of documents, I hope you don't mind, but I have done the research for you, which I hope will save you time and a good deal of grief! The first entry that I could find for Hugh Dagwell was in the English index, where it is noted that he had been transferred from the Revenue Cruiser 'Vulcan' to Blackhead Coastguard Station in Ireland in 1845. I checked the muster roll for Vulcan in ADM 175, but he was not there. However, to be really certain a check of the Muster Rolls for Vulcan in ADM 119/136 or 137 would have to be done. Returning to what I did find: From Vulcan RC, 17 May 1845 to Blackhead, removed to Hollywood 24 April 1847, for 'Good of Service'. From Blackhead, 24 April 1847 to Hollywood, removed to Glenarm 10 May 1852, for 'Good of Service'. From Hollywood 10 May 1852 to Glenarm , removed to Blackhead 5 August 1853, for 'Good of Service'. From Glenarm 5 August 1853 to Blackhead - Navy (?) From the record it is unclear whether the word is 'Navy', however, from my own recent research I know that Hugh Dagwood was one of those CG men called up for service in the Baltic Fleet in 1854, during the Crimea War. At this time he served on HMS Boscawen Ships No.40, for which he was awarded the Baltic Medal. The medal was delivered to Carrickfurgus on 2 May 1857. Again if a search of the Description Books and Muster Rolls were done for Boscawen this could provide a physical description, and details of when and where he was paid off. I'm afraid I have not been able to trace him any further. I do not know when I will next be at the NA, but I would be more than happy to do a little more research given your current location! Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 27/10/2008 18:25 |
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| Edward |
Posted on 27/10/2008 22:58
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Hello Martin, I woke up this morning to find an email notification of your reply. Thank you so much for the quality and rapidity of your reply to my query. As we say in OZ, 'Your blood's worth bottling". I don't mind at all that you went into the archives on my behalf; I've tried a few times and become very frustrated with being able to get to a certain point but no further. Anything you can find on Hugh whenever you visit Kew, would be gratefully received. I do appreciate your kind offer. The information you located seems to tally with other data I've located. There is a reference to him in the Griffith Land Registry for 1848 -1864 (details unknown) and the Glenarm and Carrick Fergus references match birth and other records for two sons, Charles Ephraim born 1852 and Hugh born 1857. As an aside, my paternal grandmother's father was in the Crimea but with the army... talk about 6 degrees of separation. Once again, thank you for taking the trouble to do what you've done; it is very kind of you. As you noted my location makes things a tad difficult. The internet makes life much easier but it does have its limitations. Kind regards, Edward |
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| Tony |
Posted on 28/10/2008 19:11
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Hello Edward, I have checked my Irish record records for Hugh Dagwell but have only found mention of Charles Ephraim. Church of Ireland Baptismal records. Charles Ephraim Dagwell of Hugh andCharlotte. Baptised 8 April 1853. Born 14 March 1853. Coastguard at Glenarm. County Antrim. Regards Tony |
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| Edward |
Posted on 28/10/2008 22:59
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Hello Tony, Another early morning in China and another piece of help. I never cease to be amazed by the kindness of people; thank you so much. The 1853 date is interesting as Charles Ephraim's apprenticeship docs give his birth year as 1852 as does his record as a ship's captain with Lloyds. Both Charles Ephraim and his brother Hugh are listed as captains. The search has become very involved, as they are wont to do because Hugh the coastguard was a brother of two men who went to OZ. One John ended up in the lighthouse service in South Australia from the early 1850s and the other Joseph Henry, went to Newcastle NSW and became a harbour pilot and coxswain of the lifeboat. Both were ex RN. What made the water very muddy was that there were two men named Charles Ephraim Dagwell in the one generation. One in Ireland and one in NSW. We now know that they were the sons of brothers. Tony, thank you once again. I do appreciate your kindness. Kind regards, Edward |
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| Edward |
Posted on 31/10/2008 05:50
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Hello Martin, I’ve actually had a few moments to mull over the information you kindly provided on Hugh. The first entry for him that you located referred to his transfer from the Revenue Cruiser, ‘Vulcan’ in May 1845. Tony’s list of Coastguard vessels for 1848, lists the ‘Vulcan’ as being based in Weymouth; presumably, it was based there for a number of years prior to 1848. If so, that ties in with Hugh’s 1842 marriage and the subsequent 1843 birth of his daughter in Weymouth…it’s nice when the pieces seem to fit. The search for Hugh and two of his 7 brothers, John and Joseph Henry is intriguing if not a trifle frustrating. Once again many thanks, Edward |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 04/11/2008 19:27
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Edward As promised I have looked further into the early career of Hugh Dagwell and have put together the following: He joined the Rose Revenue Cruiser from Itchen on 18 August 1837, and on the 19 January 1838 transferred to Active RC, subsequently transferred to Vulcan RC on 1 February 1838. On the 19 May 1845 it is noted that he was to join the CG Service by Order of Comptroller General. During all this service he was rated ‘Ordinary Mariner’, and appeared on the ‘Supplementary Mariners List’. One interesting note appeared on the Muster Roll for Vulcan dated 14 June 1838 – Went to Dorchester with smugglers, which I can only assume means that they were on their way to Court or Prison. I also discovered that not only did Hugh serve in the Baltic, but also he was transferred to HMS Princess Royal (Ships No.225) where he saw service in the Black Sea in the Crimea. From this ship’s description book I obtained the following physical description: 5’ 8’’ tall, fair complexion, grey eyes and dark brown hair. He joined Princess Royal on 2 July 1854, and was discharged on 6 July 1856 to HMS Alban for passage to Queenstown. This also records his service on HMS Boscawen as being from 6 March 1854 to 1 July 1854. For his service in the Crimea he was awarded the Crimea Medal with Sebastopol clasp and the Turkish Crimea Medal. Regards Martin |
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| Edward |
Posted on 05/11/2008 14:35
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Hi Martin, Yet again, thank you so much for unearthing the early history of Hugh. It has really rounded out the English side of the story. Apart from the 1813 baptismal record and the 1842 Weymouth marriage with the subsequent birth of his daughter in 1843 also in Weymouth, little was known of him until the late 1840s onwards in Ireland. Locating the 1873 CG discharge record opened up a new lead, which you exploited magnificently. I do appreciate all your kindness and all your help. Once again , thank you. Kind regards, Edward |
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| Ray Gray |
Posted on 20/11/2017 11:32
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Hello Edward, I hope you are still active on this forum. I have just joined as part of my research into my great grandfather, Frederick Gray. I made the connection with yourself when I searched for HMS Boscawen and found that your ancestor, Hugh Dagwell, served on the Boscawen for exactly the same period, 6th March 1854 - 1st July 1854. I find it fascinating to imagine they were at least. shipmates and possibly even friends. My great grandfather was also from Northern Ireland; the Ballywalter area. So I was wondering if you have unearthed any other information about Hugh’s coastguard service which may also link in with Fred’s service. Kind regards, Ray |
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