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 Searching the records for the name Spanner
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| renx |
Posted on 26/04/2011 10:06
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Hi i am looking for information on my greatgrand father Frederick Spanner he was a coastguard that served in ireland. I cant seem to find him in the British archives. The earliest record i have for him is in the 1901 irish census at bohmahon station. he was 44 at that time so i have an estimate year of birth. before that i have very little information only that he is from the hampshire area. I want to trace my family name. Can anyone give me any tips in searching backwards or a tip for finding a record. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 26/04/2011 13:12
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Hi, and welcome to the Forum. I think this may be your man, since Ryde is on the Isle of Wight, Hampshire. http://www.nation...ltcount=16 If, once you have downloaded his Service Record it shows that he served on HMS Shah in 1879, this means he was awarded the South Africa 1877-1879 medal with 1879 clasp (Zulu War). Shah provided a 150 man Naval Brigade to serve with the Army. And again HMS Eurylaus between 1882 and 1884, which means he would also be entitled to the Egypt 1882 Medal with the clasp for Suakin. This particular medal was always issued with the Khedive's Star that in his case would be dated 1882. I feel this is your man, because there is only one SR for a Frederick Spanner and this is almost certainly him. In addition to medal actions above, HMS Shah was involved in an action with the Peruvian Turret Ship Huascar in May 1877. Perhaps you could let us know the outcome. Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 26/04/2011 15:00 |
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| renx |
Posted on 27/04/2011 10:08
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I dont know how to thank you enough, This is definitly him. It matches my listing for him in Bonmahon. I am so excited i actually found him. There is so much for me to look up now. Thank you for giving me the details of the medal as the record card is hard to read. I am really going to enjoy studying it and looking at all the different ships. Aswell as i now have his birth place which means i can do so much more with fining my family history. I really must thank you again for finding this file for me. This website has been so helpful. Delighted to be a memeber. You have made my year |
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| bpa |
Posted on 27/04/2011 11:27
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In 1911 Census there is a Coast Guard Pensioner Frederick Spanner living with family in Wexford. A Frederick Spanner dies in 1945 age 88 (b abt 1856) in Wexford. A Frederick Spanner marries in 1896 in Wexford. There are two Frederick Spanner born around 1856 and 1857 in Hampshire but only one in Ryde - Freerick Wicker Earle Spanner According to 1861 Census Father is Edward Spanner (b 29 May 1831 Isle of Wight) and mother is Emily Mary Ann Earle m. 1854 in COE Holy Trinity Church Ryde . According to another Ancestry Family tree Edward Spanner parents are father John Spanner (1800-1832) mother Jane Pocock b. 1802 According to 1901 Census - Frederick Spanner had a son John b abt 1898. Navy professions can run in families so this may be a co-incidence but an Irish Merchant Navy seaman J. Spanner from Wexford died on the Clonlara sunk by U-564. There is only one John Spanner in 1911 Census. |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/04/2011 11:40
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I believe bpa has made an important link to John Spanner. The following link will take you to a database of Irish Mariners, and from this you will see that he was born in Bonmahon. On this particular site it is possible to order a copy of the documentation that includes a photograph of the man. http://www.irishm...mit=Search Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 27/04/2011 11:45 |
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| renx |
Posted on 27/04/2011 14:51
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Thats brilliant to get those links. My father has always thought that his grand father (my great grandfather) carried the same name as his father (my grandfather) which is frederick william spanner, which is also my fathers name . But now i am not so sure. As if there is only one frederick spanner in ryde then it most likely that it is him as you have shown me bpa. I will get a copy of his death cert and marraige cert from the bmd office. and match the names to be sure. I had known that my great uncle had died at sea but did not know any details or where i could get them but now i can find and apply for a copy of his records thanks to you both I also hope to be able to apply there for the service datails of my grandfather who also went to sea. I was told that he was on the queen mary 1. He did not die at sea but I was told that he died later from compications of getting pnamonia from sailing form austrailia to somewhere cold (i cant remember where). he died in 1948. Thank you both for getting this information. I was looking in all the wrong places. After looking at all the history of the coastgaurd and all the different boats i am now fasinated and this website is absalutly brill! |
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| bpa |
Posted on 27/04/2011 17:44
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If the user on Ancestry.com is correct then your lineage looks like Benjamin Spanner b 1735 Edward Spanner b 1767 Henry Spanner b 1800 Edward Spanner b 1831 Frederick Wicker Earle Spanner b 1857 (brothers Charles b abt 1859, Edward b abt 1861 described as Mariner on 1891 census) Frederick Spanner b about 1899 d. 1948 The user has indicated that all seem to be born on Isle of Wight. civil BMD certs only started around mid 1800's so I think you may be relying on Church records to double check the names. Edited by bpa on 27/04/2011 17:51 |
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| renx |
Posted on 27/04/2011 21:37
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Thanks bpa The last entry there matches my grandfathers birth and death dates so i think this is my family tree. this brill, thanks so much. Thank you again |
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| bpa |
Posted on 28/04/2011 01:11
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Sorry, you misunderstood my post. I put the Ancestry user tree and your tree together to see if it looks right to you. The Ancestry user's tree ends with Frederick Wicker Earle Spanner b.1857 to Edward Spanner and Emily Earle. The birth record for Frederick Spanner in Ryde can be found here http://www.isle-o...rch=Search I got Frederick Spanner the death year and age from the Irish GRO records on familysearch.org To confirm whether this is indeed your Frederick Spanner - you need the marriage cert or possibly church record which may have the father and/or mothers names. They may also Frederick Spanner middle names "Wicker Earle" which would be another confirmation. |
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| renx |
Posted on 28/04/2011 09:44
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ah now i get ya, sorry. yeh i am applying for the marraige cert. Hope to have it soon. thank you for your help. Merged on 12/05/2011 10:24:37: Hi Just wanted to say thanx again guys, i received the marraige cert which dose not state his middle name but does put his fathers name as edward spanner who was a tailer. I matched that with a census for edward and emily spanner in ryde in 1861 and everything matches. I can now safely assume that the above post on the line going back to Benjamin Spanner is also my line too. But the plot thickens. On the marriage cert he is a widow. It just keeps getting more interesting.
Edited by renx on 12/05/2011 10:24 |
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