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 Coastguards in England and Wales
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| yenilsy |
Posted on 03/08/2010 20:55
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Hi Tony, I have only recently discovered this great website, and I wonder do you have records and details of coastguards stationed in England and Wales, I only recently discovered that my Great Grandfather James Sliney was a Coastguard and in 1881 was stationed on the Isle of Wright, he was born in St Marys Pembroke, Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire on the 3rd November 1850. His Father my Great Great Grandfather John Sliney was stationed in Pembroke in Wales in 1851. I am trying to trace my family tree as to where my family came from, all I know was that John Sline was born in Ireland about 1806, I would be delighted with any help you could provide me on my Great Grandfather and Great Great Grandfather. Yvonne Edited by yenilsy on 04/08/2010 20:55 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 03/08/2010 23:38
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Hi Yvonne Because England and Ireland were one country, Coast Guards often transferred between the two, so the way the records are arranged are basically the same, and are contained in the ADM 175 series of documents. Since I see from the GENUKI site that John Sline's first child was born in Brighton, I used this as a starting point and found that he was nominated to the CG Service from HMS Wellesley on 2 January 1834 (Nom. No. 4599). Sometimes the nomination record gives a place of birth, but in this instance none was shown. The next step was to see if the Ships Description Book for HMS Wellesley for 1834 has survived, again no luck! Going then to Pembroke I discovered that he returned to Ireland with a posting to Courtmasherry CG Station on 14 June 1853. However, he was now shown as a Civilian Boatman (CB ). The significance of this is that were he to appear in later records, when places and dates of birth are normally given, as a CB it would be unlikely that his would. On the plus side the National Archives catalogue does show his pension application, which is ref. ADM 29/72/520, this can be ordered from the NA, but again no place of birth is given! Sorry the news is not better, but if I can be of any further help please let me know. Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 03/08/2010 23:39 |
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| bpa |
Posted on 04/08/2010 08:50
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The name "Sline" seems to have many spelling variations which will complicate looking for records - so far I've seen Sline, Sliney, Sliny, Slyne, Sleyne and Sleign. The only birth type records for around 1800 are baptismal but many records have been lost, baptisms may be recorded some time after birth and records were not always accurate or even made. Looking at baptism records - the earilest Sline type surnames seems to be around Cork. On line access to baptism records for Cork are split between the rootsireland.ie site (pay per record ands mainly East and North Cork) and irishgenealogy.ie (mainly West Cork but not yet complete). A quick search for John Sline rootsireland.ie shows about 8 entries from 1806 to 1811. Without John Sline's father and mother names or some siblings - I think you will find it hard to decide which John is yours. Rootsireland,ie covers Cork city and areas North and East so it misses out on the main coastal towns of Cork (e.g. Skibbereen, Kinsale) which seems to be a source of navy people. However there is 1808 John Sline record for parish of Youghal (RC) and 1809 & 1810 John Sliney records for parish of Cloyne (RC) which probably covers Ballycotton. There seems to be a number of Cork Sliney's who were coastguards - have you checked whether Thomas Sliney could be a sibling ? Edited by bpa on 04/08/2010 08:53 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 04/08/2010 11:07
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Yvonne It was late when I made the above post so perhaps did not emphasis how important the pension record could be. From the NA's catalogue it would appear that John Sline entered the navy in 1827. Although HMS Wellesley's description book has not survived, it could be that one for one his earlier ships has. Normally when a man first entered the ship the Muster or Description Book would record his former service, his place of birth, age and a provide a physical description. Martin |
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| yenilsy |
Posted on 04/08/2010 21:32
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Hi Martin & Ppa (unfortunately I don't know your name) Thank you so much for your replies to my tread, this is very informative and helpful, I have applied to The National Archives for records on ADM 29/72/520 (part of document ADM 29/72), I am waiting for them to come back to me with an estimate request for documentation on John Sline, do you know what information will be given in this documentation, will it give me his full service record, including all the Ships he served on and what Coastguard stations he was stationed at? I am amazed at all the information you found on John Sline, what is a Civilian Boatman, and do you know was his last posting in Courtmasherry CG station? Thank you Pda for the information of the baptism records, I will look into these, especially the records in Cloyne, as my Father was told that he Grandfather James Sliney ran away to sea as a boy and that he came from Ballycotton, however I obtained James Sliney's records for The National Archives and James Sliney joined the Navy when he was 15 in 1865 with both his Parents consent, John and Elizabeth Sliney and not John and Eliza Sline as appears on the Welsh 1851 census, their names also appear on a note regarding his baptim again as John and Elizabeth Sliney and not John and Eliza Sline. I wonder if John Sliney joined the Navy underage and this is the reason why his birth date or birth place do not appear and perhaps it's the reason the name spelling is different, do you know if this might be common with people who enlisted underage. Will I be able to search for these baptism records online and is there an easy way for checking to see if Thomas Sliney was his brother? James Sliney's records from The National Archives didn't give any details of which Coastguard Stations were he posted or when he retired, I know that when James Sliney retired he lived in Dublin, but I would love to know how he moved to Dublin from the Isle of Wright? Thank a million for all the information, it's brilliant. Yvonne |
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| bpa |
Posted on 04/08/2010 22:04
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yenilsy wrote:Thank you Pda for the information of the baptism records, I will look into these, especially the records in Cloyne, as my Father was told that he Grandfather James Sliney ran away to sea as a boy and that he came from Ballycotton, however I obtained James Sliney's records for The National Archives and James Sliney joined the Navy when he was 15 in 1865 with both his Parents consent, John and Elizabeth Sliney and not John and Eliza Sline as appears on the Welsh 1851 census, their names also appear on a note regarding his baptim again as John and Elizabeth Sliney and not John and Eliza Sline. Census entries were filled in by enumerators who wrote down what they heard so sometimes spellings can vary. With one of my ancestors census entries the surname is spelt 3 different ways but each phonetically similar. Perhaps "Sline" used to be pronounced with a long e as in "Sline-eeeee". Similarly "Eliza" seems to be an accepted abbreviation for Elizabeth. You should also remember that baptism records were often written in Latin - for example Timothy on a census may be Thaddeus on a baptism record. I wonder if John Sliney joined the Navy underage and this is the reason why his birth date or birth place do not appear and perhaps it's the reason the name spelling is different, do you know if this might be common with people who enlisted underage. My coastguard relative has two different birth years recorded in Navy records - it could be a transcription error, deliberate or perhaps they were just uncertrain of the year. Three of his sons also joined Navy and in two cases their Navy date of birth does not match exactly their baptism/GRO records so I think ignorance is the likely cause. Will I be able to search for these baptism records online and is there an easy way for checking to see if Thomas Sliney was his brother? Parents names is the usual way to confirm siblings. The Rootsireland.ie web site allows you to provide the father name as a filter so you can get a degree of confidence without having to buy the record. They are beta testing mothers name filter but not available yet for Cork so at present you may need to buy records - this can get expensive so I think you could wait until the mother filter is generally available . |
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| yenilsy |
Posted on 04/08/2010 22:13
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Thank you bpa, I have just registered on Rootsireland.ie, so I am going to search the parish records of Cloyne, as I think my family comes from Ballycotton as this is what my Father was told, so hopefully I will be lucky. Many thanks Yvonne |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 05/08/2010 07:34
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Yvonne The ADM 29 record should provide a list of all the ships and the dates that he served on them, from first entry into the navy until his retirement. The way to establish where a man served in the Coast Guards is by tracing his career in the ADM 175 records that can be downloaded for free from the National Archives website. Using these I have put together all of John S's movements: 2 Jan 1834 Nominated from HMS Wellesley to Brighton CGS 28 Feb 1834 moved to Bletchington 3 July 1834 to East Cowes 25 Feb 1837 to Newhaven 1 Sept 1837 to Hove 6 Nov 1838 to Baltimore (Ireland) 16 Jan 1849 to Pembroke Dock 14 June 1853 to Courtmasherry 16 Feb 1864 to Crosshaven 30 September 1866 Discharged I would have done the same for James, but all my later records are stored on an external hard-drive that in the last few days has stopped working! Re the 'Civilian Boatman', when a man became older and was no longer eligible to be called up for service in the Navy his status changed from 'Seaman Boatman' to 'Civilian Boatman'. Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 05/08/2010 07:36 |
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| yenilsy |
Posted on 05/08/2010 23:03
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Hi Martin, Thank you for all this information, it's really wonderful and amazing that you found out this information for me, it's very good of you. Many thanks, Yvonne Edited by yenilsy on 05/08/2010 23:03 |
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