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 John White 1886
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| brimarge |
Posted on 06/12/2009 18:15
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I have just received my G Grandmother's wed cert in April 1886 Maryport Cumberland. Her father John White is listed as Coast Guard (and not marked deceased in 1886) I have been unable to find any trace of the family in England and until now only knew they came from Ireland but not where in Ireland I wonder if any one can find a record for John White, the only other information I have is that his wife was Ann Farrell and their daughter Agnes was born about 1865 (don't know about any other children) Brian |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 07/12/2009 17:35
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Hi Brian I'm afraid with so little to go on you're in for quite a challenge! All I can suggest is you visit the National Archives at Kew and view the service records for men of this name to find a likely match i.e. a man who was a CG in 1886 and then trace his career, seeking other avenues to confirm or exclude this man. I say visit the NA because you could do this online, but it may cost you a small fortune at £3.50 a record! However, this is not so bad as it sounds. A search of the online records returns approx. 100 John Whites', but if you look at the place of birth, and the date, which is a date of birth, this narrows your search down quite considerably. You should note that the majority of these records only cover service from 1873. Below is a link to the NA's search engine, and all the returns for John White. http://www.nation...5Fdate+asc Best of luck Martin |
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| brimarge |
Posted on 07/12/2009 18:33
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Thanks Martin, I am not sure even going through the NA records that I could pin him down, I have so little info about him, only that his wife was Ann Farrell and daughter Agnes. I don;t know when or where he was born in Ireland. I had given up trying to research him, it was only with the recent info, Occupation Coast Guard, that I hoped there might be a slight opening (ie not many John Whites as Coast guard in 1886) I will have a look at the list Brian |
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| aussienoel |
Posted on 08/12/2009 02:50
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Brian, Have you tried here? http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php I found only one Agnes White born 1864-1866 with father John - born and baptised in Co. Galway in 1865. Did Agnes marry William Sloan? If so, in the 1891 census Agnes' age looks like 29 to me, meaning she was born about 1861-1862. Noel |
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| brimarge |
Posted on 08/12/2009 14:03
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Thanks Noel, As you find with old records dates/ages become confusing. You are correct about the wedding, married April 1886 William Sloan aged 23 Agnes 21, she died in 1897 aged 32 (I have both certs). Both consistent for Agnes born abt 1865 Ireland I agree that the 1891census says 29. There has I think been a bit of misleading on the couples part as my grandad, their 1st born thought he was born 1885/6 but I got his birth cert last week which is July 1883. On 2 other childrens birth cert (both born Scotland) their marriage date is given as 1880 and the other 1885. No wonder they are hard to pin down but your Galway 1865 is the 1st possible sighting that I have seen from Ireland, WHO KNOWS? I never expected 100 John White, Coast guards Brian |
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| brimarge |
Posted on 08/12/2009 16:44
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Martin, is the list, a list of Seamen including Coast guards OR are they all coast guards. There is only one from this list that it could be, on page 1 : John White born Dublin 18/5/1827 official number 74093. (is this a coast guard number?) All of the others born in Ireland are too young being born after 1860 and his daughter was born 1861/1865 Brian |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 08/12/2009 19:31
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Brian Anyone on the list could have entered the CG Service, but just because they are listed does not mean they were all CGs. In 1873 every man in the RN was issued an official number, this included all the CGs then serving, so the number sequence has no significance. However, in later years this does not hold true, because numbers were issued based on the branch of the service. Martin |
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| aussienoel |
Posted on 09/12/2009 06:04
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Gentlemen, In an idle moment I checked out the John Whites who joined the CG in Ireland between 1830 and 1849. (ADM 175/100) As luck would have it, there was only one. Here is his record from ADM/18 and ADM/19. John White, appointed from HMS Castor, 19 Aug 1841, posted Tribane, as Boatman. 13 Jan 1844, removed to Port Rush, Boatman. Now J. W. White. 22 Jul 1847, removed and promoted, to Cushenden. At Cushenden he is John Wm. White, Commissioned Boatman. 15 May 1857, removed , to Port Ballintrae. 20 Dec 1861, removed and promoted, to Port Rush. Now Chief Boatman. 8 Jul 1862, removed and promoted, to Malinmore. Now Chief Boatman-in-charge. The file goes only to 1862, so I cannot go further. I then checked ADM 175/99, which is the recruits to the Irish CG 1821-1829. There were two John Whites, but they look unlikely to me. The first joined in 1821, aged 31, the second in 1822, aged 25. They look too old to be having Agnes in 1861-1865. The first John White is a possiblity. Of course, it might not be him at all. John might have joined the CG after 1849. I'm not sure where we can go from here. Noel |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 09/12/2009 08:39
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Brian This is a bit of a long-shot, but I found a John White and his Wife Annie (both born Ireland), together with 7 children, on the 1891 Scottish Census, living at Old Kilpatrick, Clydebank. While John's date of birth would be 1827 I think the date shown for Annie is incorrect because she would have to been 7 to have the eldest child as shown!! It might be worth getting a copy of this in the hope that he is recorded as a Naval Pensioner. Martin |
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| aussienoel |
Posted on 09/12/2009 10:15
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Martin, Don't forget that Annie might have been the second wife of this particular John White... Another resource to check on John Whites receiving a pension would be pension records in PMG 23 and ADM 23 (TNA catalogue numbers). Noel |
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| brimarge |
Posted on 09/12/2009 13:04
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Great work both of you, its a pity that I have no knowledge of any siblings for Agnes to help corrobarate "The correct family", I have looked at 1891 census and it is not them, John Shown as rivetter, born Scotland. Brian |
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