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| Leaya |
Posted on 22/07/2009 20:00
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Im really hoping that someone can help!!! Ive search the national arcives site and googled forever, but cant find anyone to match!!! Im looking for records of Joseph Street B-abt 1820 in Bursledon Hampshire On his eldest Sons baptisms in Ardfry, Oranmore, Galway, Ir in 1857 and 1860 I have his occupation as Coastguard The on the 1871 Census he is in South Hayling on South Beach as a Coastguard I may have him on the 1841 census at Colewort, Portsmouth as a Soldier??? Im in Australia so any info thats not on the net is hard to find  I would really appriciate any and all help Thanks PS. He married a Maragret ?? born 1830ish from Co Wicklow any info on her would also be greatly appriciated! |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 22/07/2009 23:12
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Hi, and welcome. I don't know quite what is happening, but there suddenly appears to be a good deal of interest from Australia - nevertheless your very welcome. I've found your Joseph (full name Joseph Thomas Cooper Street). He first entered the CG service from HMS Vindictive on 29 June 1849, his first posting being to Ballyvaughn CG Station in Galway. From here he was transferred to Fair Hill on 8 October 1849, and then on the 19 September 1853 to Ardfry. He remained at Ardfry for some years, being transferred to Barna on 5 March 1860. His next move was to England, when he was transferred to Hill Head CG Station at Southsea on 8 July 1861. If you follow the link, and scroll down to the 16th picture in the first column, this is the old CG cottages at Hill Head (Stubbington) http://www.brims....k/gallery/ It will take me a little time to track his movements from here, so please bear with me. Out of interest there is a Joseph Straet on the medals rolls, who was called up for service in the Royal Navy during the Crimean war, serving on HMS Prince Regent in the Baltic, and HMS Royal Albert in the Crimea. From my own research I'm inclined to think that this is your Joseph, because he gave is place of birth as Hampshire, approx 1818, and his Baltic medal was sent to Galway CG Station. For his service on HMS Royal Albert he was awarded the Crimea medal with Sebastopol clasp. As an aside there was another CG, William Street, serving on HMS Euraylus, he gave his place of birth as Bursledon, Hampshire in approx. 1820, possibly a brother? Unfortunately he was Discharged Dead. On last piece of information, I think that Joseph's pension application is held by the National Archives, and can be ordered from them online - the dates seem to fit. http://www.nation...ssmethod=0 Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 23/07/2009 06:55 |
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| Leaya |
Posted on 23/07/2009 09:12
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Wow Martin thank you so much!!! That was super quick and so informative I wait with baited breath for anything else u may come up with YOUR A CHAMP (this is has my whole family going as we have little to no information about my grandfathers father and his anscestors its given my grandpa a chance to know about his dad a bit!) leaya |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 23/07/2009 14:49
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Hi Leaya I’m sorry to disappoint you, but despite my best efforts Joseph has managed to elude me after 1861. Your only hope is that the pension application is for the right man, and that as well as his early record it will also pick up on the missing years to him leaving the service. What I can say is that I'm now 99.99% certain Joseph served in the Navy during the Crimean War. I have now checked all the CG Stations in Galway, and while men he served with are on the same ship, there is no Joseph Straet at any of these stations. Please do come back to the Forum and let us know how you get on, and particularly fill in the gaps at each end of his career. All the best Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 24/07/2009 07:34 |
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| Leaya |
Posted on 27/07/2009 06:31
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Thanks so much for all your help again. Because of your findings I was able to locate his son Johns baptism record from Fair Hill which is my ansecestor and through this info John's Royal Naval record as a carpenters mate including HIS enterance to the Coast Guard in 1882 ( is the coast guard often a family affair?) where I think he was a District carpenter??? if you wouldnt mind having a quick look at this document to see if you can decipher what happened in 1876-77 from the remarks column as this is the time of his sons birth in Jersey Channel Is. which Im having diffuculty finding any record of birth or marriage. http://www.nation.../0/147.pdf Thanks again for all your help |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/07/2009 08:12
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Hi Leaya I'm glad my reply has enabled you to progress your family tree further. I have a few comments about John's service record. In the top left hand corner is his service number from his first entry into the navy on 1st March 1870. If you wanted to complete his service history you could order this document (ref CS 584B in the ADM 139 series of documents) from the National Archives. On your specific question this is '£2-10 GC Lady' and underneath 'Traced M'. The first notation relates to the payment of monies in respect of his Good Conduct badges - each badge earned an extra penny per day - this was paid on Lady Day (25th March). The notation underneath is a clerk confirming his entitlement to Navys' Long Service and Good Conduct Medal - which was always issued named, so it may still be around. I note from his record that John was serving on HMS Penelope in 1882. In July of that year she was part of the naval force that bombarded Alexandria. Penelope was engaged in the attack on Fort Mex. Unfortunately I do not have the medal roll for this particular medal, but it might be worth trying to find out from the roll for certain if he was present. For this action men were awarded the Egypt Medal (dated 1882) with the clasp Alexandria 11th July, together with the Khedive's Star. Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 27/07/2009 08:14 |
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| Leaya |
Posted on 31/07/2009 06:40
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Thanks again Martin all this news is very pride inspiring for the family here in oz... Does anyone know of anywhere on the net I can access the voyages of navy ships (where they were and when)??? Much appriciated Leaya |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 31/07/2009 11:57
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Leaya There are a couple of good sites (links below) that will give you a pretty good general idea where a ship was, and what it was doing. However, if you really wanted to know for a particular date, the only way is to consult the ship's log. This can only be done in person at the National Archives, or if you really wanted to know, by ordering a copy of the particular page from the NA. http://www.pbenyo...0/P/P.html http://www.pdavis...php?page=1 Regards Martin |
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| Leaya |
Posted on 05/08/2009 14:32
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hey Martin, FYI JTC Street was a coast guard in south hayling in 1871 living on south beach (rd??) and was a pensioner on the same road in 1881 He passed away in Hampshire in 1902 Does anyone have any idea where I can get a birth record for a naval birth in the channel Is in 1877? Thanks Again Leaya |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 06/08/2009 17:55
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Hi Leaya I was at the National Archives today, so took the opportunity to check the 1882 Egypt Medal roll. John Street certainly qualified for the Egypt medal, however, he must have been abscent from Penelope during the bombardment of Alexandria, because he did not qualify for this, or the Tel el Kebir clasps. It's a real shame, because the next man on the roll, who did qualify for both clasps, received his medal from Queen Victoria at Windsor! John was listed as Ships No. 483 and rated as Carpenters Mate. His medal was delivered to Penelope on 16 March 1883. Regards Martin |
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| Leaya |
Posted on 05/12/2009 01:20
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Hi Martin I have been in contact with another decendent of Joseph Thomas Cooper Street, and she has got a copy of his pension record and we were wondering if you could tell us a little about what these jobs were? Also At the bottom it says as per coast guard records do you know where we could get access to them. we have also discovered that Joseph married Margaret Scantlebury daughter of John Scantlebury ANOTHER CG!!!... i see he is in your database but there is little information, im finding it hard to narrow down details on him to get access through the national archives. any extra info would be much appriciated. Thanks muchly Leaya |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 05/12/2009 06:45
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Leaya Using Magarets birth place as a starting point (Wicklow 1831) I checked the CG records and found a John Scantlebury, Commissioned Boatman, at Five Mile Point CG Station, Wicklow. With this information I was able to trace his career. He appears to have entered the CG service at Bunnow CGS from the Revenue Cruiser Drake, unfortunately there is no date against this entry. However, he is listed on the return of Preventative Waterguard Men in CUST19/62 (1822), with his year of entry shown as 1820. From here he was transferred to Castletown on 24 Aug 1822 and then, on 18 Nov 1822, to Adrigol following a promotion to Comm. Boatman. He remained at Adrigol until 5 April 1827, when he was transferred to Five Mile Point. His final move was on the 11 Nov 1841, this time to Ballyvaughan, from where he was 'Discharged Dead' on 13 April 1849. While checking the records I did notice another John Scantlebury (Boatman) stationed at Five Mile Point between 1840 and 1841, could this possibly be a son? Regards Martin Edited by crimea1854 on 05/12/2009 10:57 |
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| richard |
Posted on 25/01/2010 19:47
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Hi Martin & Leaya I've only just discovered your web-site and have found it to be extremely useful. I am a member of the Guild of One Name Studies researching the surname of Scantlebury. So it is with some interest that I followed this thread. The other John Scantlebury a com. boatman in Oct 1841 he was transfered to Cloghy Belfast. two years later he was transfered to Ventry Station Limerick where in 29 Apr 1845 he was discharged dead. He had only one son that I know of John Bartley Scantlebury who was also a coastguard retiring as a Chief officer (he never served in Ireland but served in the Crimean war). Scantlebury is a Cornish name, details can be see at my web-site www.scantlebury.talktalk.net I wasn't aware of this John Scantlebury, he is the second John Scantlebury that has been discharged dead from the Coastguard service Nor am I aware of a marriage of Margaret Scantlebury to Joseph Street though I would dearly love to have details of it I assume the marriage was in Ireland? Regards Richard |
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| bpa |
Posted on 26/01/2010 10:11
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Nor am I aware of a marriage of Margaret Scantlebury to Joseph Street though I would dearly love to have details of it I assume the marriage was in Ireland? There is a pilot FamilySearch.org service for searching GRO index records at http://pilot.fami...tml#p=home There are index marriage entries for both Joseph Street and Margaret Scantlebury. Both records point to a marriages recorded in Ennistimon 1849. Ennistimon and Ballyvaughn are both in Co. Clare so this looks like a good match. You would need to get a copy of the actual GRO record to be sure the two marriages index entries point to the same marriage. edit: Just noticed there is a more complete entry in FamilySearch using GRO info : 30 APR 1849 , Rathborney, Clare, Ireland Edited by bpa on 26/01/2010 15:11 |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 26/01/2010 16:02
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Richard I may have a third death for a John Scantlebury CG; This is from a list compiled by Tony from ADM 102. Scantlebury,John C.G. Tresco Died 16 Apr.1859 Also are you aware of the GENUKI CG database that lists other Scantleburys'? From this I believe the above John's wife was named Sarah. Martin |
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| richard |
Posted on 26/01/2010 18:41
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yes I am aware of a John Scantlebury with a wife Sarah he is my great-greatgrand father. The John Scantlebury who discharged dead on Tresco is still bit of mystery I did try to trace his career back at Kew sorry the TNA but did not get very far with any success! Thanks for the link to Joseph's & Margaret's Marriage, all I need to do now is to try ID both the John in Tresco and the John who died at Ballyvaughan an age with a date would help ( I do have a theory that all Scantleburys are related) I've looked at the genuki British Coastguards index, there 2 or 3 Scantleburys I'm not familiar with Would you like a photograph of John Bartley Scantlebury in coastguard uniform taken about 1880ish Regards Richard |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 26/01/2010 20:11
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Richard I looked at the records for the John Scantlebury who died in Tresco in 1859. He first entered the CG service on 28 Mar 1857, with a first posting to Gillingham in Kent. His next move was to Tresco on 4 Aug 1858, where he died in 1859. Interestingly he entered the CG service from HMS Imperieuse. It was while onboard her that he served in the Baltic during the Crimean War, earning a Baltic Medal. He is on the medal roll as an AB, ships no 415. Frustratingly the Ships Description Books do not seem to have survived, so you cannot trace his place of birth or age. Regards Martin |
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| richard |
Posted on 26/01/2010 21:23
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I think that was far as I got Martin the only difference I couldn't work out the ship he was from. What I couldn't work out was there is no GRO reference in the death indexes nor could I find any burials in parish records. Regards Richard |
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| crimea1854 |
Posted on 27/01/2010 19:26
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Richard I did find the death of a John Scantlebury in the GRO Index. It's certainly in the right Quarter (April - June 1859), although recorded in St Germans (vol 5c page 35), but I don't know if this registration district would cover Tresco? Martin |
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| richard |
Posted on 27/01/2010 22:23
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Martin Strange it may seem the Cornwall family History Society don't list Tresco in their booklet "Local research sources for Births Marriages and Burials in Cornwall with maps" Tresco is in the Registration district of Scillies Islands superceeded in 1901 by the Isles of Scilly district. St. Germans is about 60miles to the east. I've been looking at Joseph & Margaret street through the different Censuses looking for clues ie. naming of their children the eldest daughter is named Tryphena I just wonder is she named after Tryphena Street or Scantlebury! Margaret gives her place as Wicklow in each census until 1911 when it is given as Galway, is Wicklow in Galway? I think John Scantlebury was born before 1800 probably in cornwall would any of the ships/establishments records you gave give any clues in terms of age etc. do you have mega database of coastguard records or are they on lane? Regards Richard |
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